Rivet Hole Repair

Ask your build questions here. Welding, assembly, etc.
Post Reply
User avatar
CRUSADER
Stabshauptmann
Stabshauptmann
Posts: 268
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:13 pm
Location: East Coast

Rivet Hole Repair

Post by CRUSADER »

Hey all,

I'm to the point of welding some of this thing together, but I have a small problem to solve first.

When this MG was de-milled, the person who did it drilled into the rail rivets a little too deeply. He drilled right into the receiver a few times. The steel is very thin in these places, so I need to put the metal back somehow. I think I know what I need to do, but I'm fishing for some ideas first :D

So, I'm looking forward to all of your creative solutions ;)

Image

Image
johnnymg
Oberleutnant
Oberleutnant
Posts: 111
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:38 pm
Location: cleveland,ohio

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by johnnymg »

Fill with weld, TIG or MIG and use an end mill to "depress the area again to simulate?

Johnnymg
User avatar
CRUSADER
Stabshauptmann
Stabshauptmann
Posts: 268
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:13 pm
Location: East Coast

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by CRUSADER »

No other ideas, eh?

Well Johnny, that's what I was thinking, too. I'll have to TIG the holes completely shut and then try to re-create the rivet indentation.

Then, when it's time for the rails, I suppose the best thing to do is get a set of 'virgin' rails and install them.

[sarcasm] YAY! [/sarcasm]
rocco1911

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by rocco1911 »

Why not do as you say regards fill welding then use the original rails & a transfer punch to mark your rivet hole positions Its worked for me in the past :?
User avatar
CRUSADER
Stabshauptmann
Stabshauptmann
Posts: 268
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:13 pm
Location: East Coast

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by CRUSADER »

I considered that too, rocco ... but I'm not a machinist by trade, so I do not own a transfer punch set. I'd have to buy the tools. So, that's the decision to make ... buy the tools and use them once - perhaps three times - or do I buy a new set of virgin rails & rivets from RTG?

The advantage to buying the tools & re-using the rails I already have is that these rails are from this very gun (everything was sandblasted before the de-mil process and the sandblasting & left over phospahting patterns all match). I have bolted the rails in and everything slides nicely. I am concerned that fitting virgin rails will require a certain amount of fitting & fiddling....hmmmmm......

Also, to use the tranfer punch method, I'd have to figure out a way align the rails on the outside of the receiver in order to mark the holes, right? How would you align the rails with the camming piece perfectly? The left side might not be too bad, but on the right side the ratchet plate could make things tricky. I'll have to have another look at it tomorrow...
Bil
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
Posts: 4873
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Brookline,VT

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by Bil »

Perhaps by filling only one or two holes,using the rest to bolt the rails to the outside.U se rails as a jig to mark the filled holes,remove and repeat with the rest of the holes.Or use dykem to mark the centers,perpendicular lines that extend past the weld area. ---bil
"I dream of a world where I can buy alcohol,tobacco and firearms from the same drive-up window,and use them all on the way home from work!" Dogbert
User avatar
CRUSADER
Stabshauptmann
Stabshauptmann
Posts: 268
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:13 pm
Location: East Coast

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by CRUSADER »

Yep, Bil - that seems like the way to do it! 8)

It might take a little longer than filling them all at the same time and then re-drilling them all at once, but your suggestion sounds like the right way...

Looks like I am goin' shoppin' for some Transfer Punches...

While we are sort-of on the subject of riveting, where's a good place to buy a setting tool for my air hammer? I have the bucking blocks already.

Has anyone used a new rivet for the camming piece? That long rivet is very unsupported. How do you keep it from bending in the center while forming the head?
Bil
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
Posts: 4873
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Brookline,VT

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by Bil »

I headed it-it doesn't need much,as it just keeps both pieces in alignment.I have also seen one with the bottom of the rivet threaded and a lock nut installed. ---bil
"I dream of a world where I can buy alcohol,tobacco and firearms from the same drive-up window,and use them all on the way home from work!" Dogbert
Bil
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
Posts: 4873
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Brookline,VT

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by Bil »

I also have one of those rail alignment jigs you could use,I have never seemed to find a use for it. ---bil
"I dream of a world where I can buy alcohol,tobacco and firearms from the same drive-up window,and use them all on the way home from work!" Dogbert
User avatar
gdmoore28
Brigadegeneral
Brigadegeneral
Posts: 719
Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:59 am
Location: Arkansas Delta

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by gdmoore28 »

Bil wrote:I also have one of those rail alignment jigs you could use,I have never seemed to find a use for it. ---bil
Hmmm . . . I've heard of people using them to align rails. You're charting new territory here, so a lot of care and caution are highly recommended. :lol:

How's things on the left coast Brother Bil?

GeeDeeEmm
" The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government . . . . When the people fear their government there is tyranny, when the government fear the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
Bil
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
Posts: 4873
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Brookline,VT

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by Bil »

Nice and toasty!!Sure beats mud season in New England! :lol: The rail jib is very useful in making sure they are in line with the barrel,but you still have to locate the holes from inside.What would be real handy is a paper template that you could stick directly on the receiver,sort of like the ones that are on the Prexis semi receivers,showing center lines and dimentions of holes and slots.I am sure a computer/machinist sort could come up with something.Certainly not me,I can barely type! ---bil
"I dream of a world where I can buy alcohol,tobacco and firearms from the same drive-up window,and use them all on the way home from work!" Dogbert
bolex
Stabshauptmann
Stabshauptmann
Posts: 298
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:25 pm
Location: Mississippi

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by bolex »

Harbor Freight sells transfer punches cheap. The only problem I have had with them is when I need a steel rod for a project I will use one of the punch rods so the sets are no longer complete. When I did the coldsteel receiver it had no rail hole so I lined the rail on the outside with two holes (I used a alignment tool for the first hole at each end of the rail) and used the rail to guide the hole remaining locations.
pathfinder
Unteroffizier
Unteroffizier
Posts: 46
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:49 pm

Re: Rivet Hole Repair

Post by pathfinder »

If you are going to have to tig the holes you could use oakrodents method of tigging the riviets in from the inside and then refinishing the heads on the outside with a studgun. His build is an interesting read.
Post Reply