3,000 meter indirect fire exercise,,, talk and interest
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:59 pm
This started on another post and started to drift from that post to restarting it as it's own topic..
Started as Re: Wehrmacht MG42 Qualification Test
Post by 42rocker » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:39 pm
Ok, lets set the date, next year Bil's house April 1st. 2012 at high noon.
That time and place, John B using his books will lead at least 3 mg42 machine gun crews in a indirect live fire exercise using mg42/m53 and lafette's and MG Z 40's (optics's) to see if at 3,000 meters (that's approx 1.8 miles) we can deliver a fly swatter style hit on a target.
I was first posting this a little tongue in cheek.... But in thinking about this... THIS would be a really GREAT OUTING......
Don't have JBaum's book in front of me about this, but I seem to remember it's in one of the books and doable. Think about the math trying to link together 3 different machine gun nests to deliver their fire on the same place...... Ok, those of you that have worked with timed arrival of artillery fire from different position's might think this would be easy,,, buttttt. 3 or more machine gun pits, different height's and different angles, of course all within say 200 yards of each other....
WOW,,, helped to shoot up a few cars in the past from Fla to Minnesota... But, being part of a live fire crew,,, trying to set up everything first then opening fire at a distance where it would take a really good scope to see what happened 3,000 meters away. Not just search fire or walk it in.... But planned out.....
Ok, What about it..... Has anyone in the past done anything like this???????
A little off topic, but still on "Qualification Test" idea, as the German Army did (according to JBaum's book's) training such as this....
If not Bil's house, really anyone know of an area near the creek where some of use could get together for something like this or anyone have an interest.... I know,,,, LARGE AREA needed,,,, with correct level headed folks with the correct equipment.... But think about how cool to say that you had been part of something like this... That's if it was done right of course and the wrong car or house did not get shot up... Again sorry about having to use DA's truck at that Minnesota shoot last year. Of course I guess that a smaller distance could be used first.... Say the target only 1/2 mile or 1 mile away....
********* Qualification Test ********** Good Luck on finding any of the original Wehrmacht MG42 Qualification Test ... As several folks might be interested in seeing it....
Anyone interested in a shoot with the target 1/2 mile or more away???????
Ok, JBaum brings his deckungswinkelmesser and other equipment and the rest of us bring our "slide rules" and lots of paper. And of course a few mg42' and laffette's and the rest of the needed stuff..... My God, what an interesting field exercise....... Bet no-one has done something like this in years......
Talked with one of my other clients Friday, had not seen Joe in about 3 years. At any rate he was a Master Sargent in the US Army Stationed In Germany. Both his father and father-in-law fought for the Germany Army (did not get released from Russia till 49/50). While there his was able to talk his way into doing several things with the German Army. He did state that he was able to get some of his buddies into training exercises with the East German Army using m3's (post war mg42's). I believe that he stated that he and several others received German training awards, part of joint training in the 50's 60's stuff. Award's may not have been on the mg3's... Next time I see him I'll ask, hope it will not be 3 years before I see him again... He lost his wife during those 3 years...
Later 42rocker
Started as Re: Wehrmacht MG42 Qualification Test
Post by 42rocker » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:39 pm
Ok, lets set the date, next year Bil's house April 1st. 2012 at high noon.
That time and place, John B using his books will lead at least 3 mg42 machine gun crews in a indirect live fire exercise using mg42/m53 and lafette's and MG Z 40's (optics's) to see if at 3,000 meters (that's approx 1.8 miles) we can deliver a fly swatter style hit on a target.
I was first posting this a little tongue in cheek.... But in thinking about this... THIS would be a really GREAT OUTING......
Don't have JBaum's book in front of me about this, but I seem to remember it's in one of the books and doable. Think about the math trying to link together 3 different machine gun nests to deliver their fire on the same place...... Ok, those of you that have worked with timed arrival of artillery fire from different position's might think this would be easy,,, buttttt. 3 or more machine gun pits, different height's and different angles, of course all within say 200 yards of each other....
WOW,,, helped to shoot up a few cars in the past from Fla to Minnesota... But, being part of a live fire crew,,, trying to set up everything first then opening fire at a distance where it would take a really good scope to see what happened 3,000 meters away. Not just search fire or walk it in.... But planned out.....
Ok, What about it..... Has anyone in the past done anything like this???????
A little off topic, but still on "Qualification Test" idea, as the German Army did (according to JBaum's book's) training such as this....
If not Bil's house, really anyone know of an area near the creek where some of use could get together for something like this or anyone have an interest.... I know,,,, LARGE AREA needed,,,, with correct level headed folks with the correct equipment.... But think about how cool to say that you had been part of something like this... That's if it was done right of course and the wrong car or house did not get shot up... Again sorry about having to use DA's truck at that Minnesota shoot last year. Of course I guess that a smaller distance could be used first.... Say the target only 1/2 mile or 1 mile away....
********* Qualification Test ********** Good Luck on finding any of the original Wehrmacht MG42 Qualification Test ... As several folks might be interested in seeing it....
Anyone interested in a shoot with the target 1/2 mile or more away???????
Ok, JBaum brings his deckungswinkelmesser and other equipment and the rest of us bring our "slide rules" and lots of paper. And of course a few mg42' and laffette's and the rest of the needed stuff..... My God, what an interesting field exercise....... Bet no-one has done something like this in years......
Talked with one of my other clients Friday, had not seen Joe in about 3 years. At any rate he was a Master Sargent in the US Army Stationed In Germany. Both his father and father-in-law fought for the Germany Army (did not get released from Russia till 49/50). While there his was able to talk his way into doing several things with the German Army. He did state that he was able to get some of his buddies into training exercises with the East German Army using m3's (post war mg42's). I believe that he stated that he and several others received German training awards, part of joint training in the 50's 60's stuff. Award's may not have been on the mg3's... Next time I see him I'll ask, hope it will not be 3 years before I see him again... He lost his wife during those 3 years...
Later 42rocker