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MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:40 am
by jackxxx
I need some help on identifying this drum holder.It has no maker marks on it except a number 31 on one of the spring flaps.It is milled out not sheet metal.It has no grinding marks on it.Its vary well made.Some one told me to look for a circle with a d in it and thought it was czechoslovakia made but i found no marks like that.Can any one give me some help on this
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:36 pm
by 762x51
Your photos are too fuzzy
to really tell so it may be an original or one of the replicas that IMA had made several tears ago.
Orin
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:42 pm
by rocco1911
Is this your top cover ? you have it or are these just pics? looks like a mg34 top cover for the doppeltrommel mags
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:00 pm
by jackxxx
I will try to get more pics.Yes rocco this my mg 34 saddle drum holder
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:06 pm
by jackxxx
762x51 wrote:Your photos are too fuzzy
to really tell so it may be an original or one of the replicas that IMA had made several tears ago.
Orin
Did the replicas have some kind of marks on them? How would i tell if it is a IMA remake? This thing has no marks at all except 31 on one of the flaps.More pics coming.
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:37 am
by rocco1911
It appears that the Latch is different on the Dupilates as there held on with a screw & look different yours appears to be an original is it for sale?
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:39 am
by 762x51
rocco1911 wrote:It appears that the Latch is different on the Dupilates as there held on with a screw & look different yours appears to be an original is it for sale?
Don't confuse the MGS cover (with the screws) with the IMA replica which has rivets in the rear, the same as the originals. The MGS cover doesn't have the 2 doors or flaps and no way to mount them.
The IMA replica that I saw didn't have any markings at all.
Here are photos of an original Trommelhalter, one of the Russian capture ones that were brought into the country several years ago. Note serial numbers and where the Russians crossed out the makers markings.
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:08 am
by Bil
Thanks for the pics,Orin.So there are two differant type replicas in addition to the original variants. ---bil
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:38 am
by rocco1911
Two different replicas now its getting even more confusing
but as long as they both work & look good thats All I'm concerned with as I'm a shooter of my builds dont think they should just sit on a shelf & look preety
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:41 pm
by Bil
I am not sure,but I think this one may be an original!
From the site 'Feldgrau' . ---bil
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:50 pm
by rocco1911
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:07 am
by 762x51
Bil wrote:I am not sure,but I think this one may be an original!
From the site 'Feldgrau' . ---bil
Bil - I think that's a MG34 with a machined top cover, not a Trommelhalter......Wish I had one of those top covers
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:42 pm
by Bil
Good eyes-I hadn't blown up the picture enough.But I knew it couldn't be DA-those guys in the pic are too skinny!
---bil
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:55 pm
by Schnee
Some detailed photos of an original can be seen here:
http://www.zwillingssockel.com/id282.html
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:22 pm
by Bil
Very nice,Ryan.Another excuse to drool over the fine stuff on your site! Thanks. ---bil
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:54 pm
by Blanksguy
There are actually three (3) different copies floating around.
I viewed one about the late 1980s.......Iyears later, MA came out with their imported copies years later.....and now "MGS".
The "tell" on the early-copy that I viewed was the forward "catch" (where it was locked onto the receiver at the front).....it was not machined as part of the main-frame...but as a separate-piece and spot-welded onto the main-frame of the cover.
They will crack if moved ever so slightly.
Regards, RichardS in MI.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:55 pm
by Schnee
There is another copy out there that is identical to the original. They were made in Switzerland some time in the 1990s. They have the right markings as well but they tool marks are wrong. The originals were made with several different form cutters and they leave distinctive machining marks. The other ones were made with simple set ups (not dedicated fixtures and tooling) and some of the tell-tale tool marks are from side cutting with end mills. They are also stamped with JGS on the bottom but this is usually long gone and refinished...buyer beware!
Ryan
Re: MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:32 pm
by pitfighter
These are good pictures and some terrific information.
If anyone has a drum holder top cover for an MG34 for sale - original or reproduction - feel free to Pm me.
Pit.