The future of Kits, Barrels and Receivers?

[Cpt_Kirks]

Now that Dan has sold out and BRP is no longer selling receivers, is that it?

Some kits are still trickling in with barrels, but no (or only part) receivers. There seem to be some barrels available for the moment, but they are going fast.

Is that it? Unless the BATFE changes something, are barrels and receivers gone for good?

[TOM R]

appears so , but you never know what made it in country and has yet to de demilled

[H S Arms]

appears so , but you never know what made it in country and has yet to de demilled

And at what price? I'm certain for the moment a lot of people are sitting on barrels and receiver pieces waiting to see where ( as in how high ) prices go, or if their is any changes in the law. JMO

[Karbinator]

You mean rcvr'sets people have put back ( )will be worth alot ??

[oldiron]

Well sooner or later someone will figure out that making a real receiver for these 42's may be profitable for production--- with other parts sub assemblies being done nicely; like those that Pirate does;; AND maybe new subassemblies being produced like panacebeachbum is in the works with; a real reliable SA 42 could be done---

I am sure that there is someone out there making (or would make stampings) if there was enough demand-- So maybe we all should put feelers out there for making the stampings; because it seems that the major guy making the stamping is not willing to provide the parts we all need -- That is all of my opinion alone !!

[Cpt_Kirks]

BRP has all the equipment to make receivers.

Who is going to make the MAJOR investment when BRP can just crank them out?

If demand gets high enough, BRP will likely sell receivers again, maybe next year.

Then again, who knows...

[TOM R]

oldiron if you use pirates design with the fal fcg you get a smooth reliable shooter, the ar parts just don't cut it

[drooling idiot]

De-milled receivers are still importable as are demill-ed barrels.
the thing is we can modify the demill-ed(now legally considered) chunks of steel and weld them back together to make a new receiver . we can not safely reweld a barrel into a new barrel.
Dan will be importing more mg42 kits I'm sure , and they will have the demill-ed receiver sections. they will NOT most likely have usable barrels. they will also probably be all of Yugo origin and not German.


so all this means is....
YOU CAN STILL IMPORT RECEIVER SECTIONS JUST NOT BARRELS.

[oldiron]

I think BRP should realize that if he stops selling his stampings someone else will step in and do the same thing. Just as TNW went to selling a high priced replacement reciever kit; others are now working on a lower and more accurate model replacement reciever -- I am not saying this in jest but I know of two seperate individuals that are doing the MG 34 thing.

I believe the same will happen with the MG 42; in both the barrel and receiver area. Look back to the Semi-1919; First ones were made from a shop in Hartford Conn, cost $3850.00 in the early 1980's He was a Class Two manufacturer and really didn't have time to putz around with the semi guns; as he was the premier manufacturer of Full Auto 1919A4's when you could still make new ones-- so the writing is on the wall for a smart business guy here, Reproduce the reciever and sell it as a firearm; provide the trigger housing and bolt modifications and you have a winner !!

So figure if a bunch more kits show up with the reciever and barrel chopped; someone will figure it out and make the parts needed to complete the MG42 to a new version say the SA42 as we discussed. Otherwise all of the spare parts kits with the chopped recievers and barrels will be quite worthless unless all of the semi 34 and 42 guys have 50 spares of each part on their shelves--

I am sure someone will do it; just when--

[helix60]

I recently Emailed BRP about their 42 recievers. The stated that they will not be makeing any until October. I was looking for reciever sections not the whole thing. They did sort of mention that sections will be available.

Regards,
Heli

[oldiron]

I wonder by that time how much demand there will be for the sections and how much they will cost??

[THE DOCTOR]

IF BRP went to the trouble to tool up for the receivers I would think that since they sold out they would realize that making more would be the thing to do

[propos]

Never underestimate the ability of a company to shoot itself in the foot. Many individuals are excellent craftsmen but poor businessmen. Believe me if I had the ability to make 42 receivers in bulk, as it were, I would. As oldiron said, there is a market for new manufactured receivers out there. If you have the tooling to produce a new receiver why would you not be flooding the market with them? Why sit on them? Waiting for the price to go up? That's poor business. The object of a profitable business is to move product at a reasonable price.
Think of all the gunshows that you have been to. How many dealers have the same firearms on their tables year after year with an ever increasing price? They can't get it into their heads that you sell for a fair price and move inventory, not carry it around for decades hoping it will sell to some fool.

It's simple economics 101. If I have a product that costs me $20 to make, I figure in my profit and overhead. But I'm greedy or stupid, or both. So I ask $100 for it. I get plenty of bites but few or no buyers. So I get smart and lower the price to make it more affordable but still make a decent profit. Instead of $100, I sell it for $50. Now the product is flying out the door. IN other words, you have two dealers side by side offering the same product. One wants $100 and the other wants $50. Which one are you going to buy? Granted this is somewhat simplistic but it is basically the idea. Ever hear of Walmart?
Now if someone had a little capital to invest, he could do his homework and find a small manufacturer who had the capability to bend sheet metal and the willingness to make the receivers.. Next a machinist who could make barrels from blanks.
We have here a prime example of capitalism at work. Pirate. He offers a service at a reasonable price. Do you think he would get the same volume of business if he charged twice what he does now? I don't think so, do you? The old saying holds true. If you build a better mousetrap, and at a reasonable cost, the world will beat a path to your door.

[TOM R]

preach on brotha propooos

there are enough tool and die guys here it could be done, that belt loader conversion i got from a member was die made and identical to the original just longer, it can be done, overhead is the bear here unless you can make the dies yourself, i recall seing someone say brp has $100,000 + invested in this and I don't doubt it, plus you need a large company with stamping machinery to punch em out, like gm guidelamp did in ww2 for the greasegun,

[none123]

I belive BRP is spending all its time on the stemple conversions...which look like less work and cost more money

[weasel]

I always thought that if you treat people fairly, they will beat a path to your door.
Makes for good business. My .02

[TOM R]

actualy like oow and tha b.a.r., if you got the kits and stop makin the gun for a while when you resume production people will be more willing to pay the price (or a higher one) while I DO NOT think this is the intention at brp, it may just work if noone else jumps in

besides if you get a kit with reciever, pay for the semi mods to be done and buy a welder and die grinder you are still waaaaaay ahead of the cost of a new built, weather it be a mg42 or 1919 or whatever

[oldiron]

Great question was put up on the previous page; with all the guys on this site; who is a stampings diemaker??? How about figuring out how much it would cost to make the raw stampings, and the parts that need to be made like the stamped parts for the buffer-- Maybe we could job shop this one out to some interested party-- How about an 80% four piece stamping Mg 42 semi receiver kit-- If anyone knows anyone that might be able to do this e-mail me; and maybe we can work this out. I may have a person that could provide the capital for this project. Lets beat the bushes for a guy that knows how to do this stuff!!

[H S Arms]

preach on brotha propooos

there are enough tool and die guys here it could be done, that belt loader conversion i got from a member was die made and identical to the original just longer, it can be done, overhead is the bear here unless you can make the dies yourself, i recall seing someone say brp has $100,000 + invested in this and I don't doubt it, plus you need a large company with stamping machinery to punch em out, like gm guidelamp did in ww2 for the greasegun,

I also got one of those belt loader conversions and I was impressed in the quality of the parts and also the price was very good. I don't believe barrels will be a problem, we may not like the price but all that is needed is a barrel blank and a lathe and a good gunsmith and you will have barrels, Receivers are a different problem alltogether, very complected project, my hats off to anyone willing to take on that project. JMO. Harry

[Eugene Tackleberry]

Do any of you happen to have any photo's of the machinery to make these receivers or the blue-print's to the machinery? The stamping machines can't be that complex, I mean it's not like they're CNC or EDM machines.