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A young fellow whom i've known about five yrs.--took up an interest in firearms and i blame myself for this.To ramble on, he bought a 53 kit and asked me to build it for him, i said, absolutly not but, i will lead you through it, him doing the work.Well monday he called, inviting me to his farm for some shooting. As i pulled into his drive,sitting on a AA tripod an m53. He'd sent his kit to Wise Lite Arms, for them to build, come to find out. I was'nt P----D nor my feelings hurt by any measure, this kid is just plain lazy.This is only the second time i've seen a Wise Lite build, the first @ Knob Creek. To the point, it didn't work, would not fire one round, not even a primer strike. He wanted me to figure it out, I told him to call the builder as I'm not a gunsmith. Now he's mad @ me, for his own mistake and I don't care.I've heard the horror stories here, now I witness one right out of the wooden box. I'm not here to slam Wise Lite but, I can't understand a weapon going out the door nonfunctional. There's more to this but, it's not my intent to belittle Wise Lite Arms.

mad at YOU?
He should have done a little more research before investing his money, like a little shopping around while finding reviews. Better yet, if he had the money available, why not just do the build himself? The thing i found most time consuming for my current build, is finding cash to pay for it .
If i didn't have to go to other people's shops to get my work done, and had all the cash just sitting there for conversion parts + receiver, I'm sure i could finish a build from start to finish in a couple weeks (minus shipping times).
I don't mean to take sides or anything by saying this, but just how well does he know the M53/mg42 semi auto gun? I know i could troubleshoot mine fairly well if needed. If you don't know how to operate the thing, it is possible to ruin parts just by misuse (topcover pressure plate for example)

micheal j,foremost your doing a fine job on your own build. this not a story about the fellow that WLA built the 53 for but, the matter of the nonfunctional weapon direct from the factory.My friend has shot each of my 53's numerous times and knows how they operate. He thinks that i refused to build his, he'd outsource , and not have to do the work himself, lazy. Now he has problems and comes to me, sorry, in my world it does'nt work that way. I feel bad for him but, when I was a younger man riding rodeo, every cowboy put the rigging on the bronc he was riding.

blackreichswehr wrote:micheal j,foremost your doing a fine job on your own build. this not a story about the fellow that WLA built the 53 for but, the matter of the nonfunctional weapon direct from the factory.My friend has shot each of my 53's numerous times and knows how they operate. He thinks that i refused to build his, he'd outsource , and not have to do the work himself, lazy. Now he has problems and comes to me, sorry, in my world it does'nt work that way. I feel bad for him but, when I was a younger man riding rodeo, every cowboy put the rigging on the bronc he was riding.

In that case, it does seem quite likely that the firearm came out of the factory non-functioning. I keep reading about "horror" stories like this, as have you, like stated. I'm sure WLA does a fine job with most of their products seeing as they are still in business... But mistakes like this shouldn't be happening! I know they will probably fix his problems under warranty, but these things shouldn't happen in the first place.

I completely understand where your coming from too regarding laziness, shortcuts are definitely not the way to go. Personally, i accept help from no one regarding my gun build. That way if it is acting funky, i have only myself to blame. But if it is a success, it is my own reward .

Keep us posted on the status of his gun though, i can't bear the thought of a wasted m53 .

Dont they have a warranty period on all their builds? Did you explain to him that you couldnt do any "fixing" on his 53 and run the risk of voiding the warranty on his gun? If he still got mad at you after that, time to walk away.

DA-- PRESENCE OF MIND, your the north end of a south bound baboon

blackreichswehr wrote:DA-- PRESENCE OF MIND, your the north end of a south bound baboon

EASY there. I was just saying that your buddy CAN have it fixed. I really don't think he should have blamed its failure on you either. I'm on your side, dood. And if his laziness contributed to the problems he's having with it, then so be it. Not your fault. No sense blasting me about it.

I see no fault with blackreichswehr. Sounds like your friend is frustrated. I wouldn't say it is laziness not building a M-53. They are quite tricky to build. The fault is with WISE LITE! Another quality product from them. Yes, they will be more than happy to take it back to repair it, but how many times do you want to send it out? ? It has been brought up multiple time...... Their quality control is non existing! ! Come on now, it doesn't even fire out of the box! ! Yes, once in a while they might have one work out of the box, but very few. Why do people still deal with them when it comes to M-53s? You get what you pay for! ! You pay crap , you get crap.

ANOTHER QUALITY PRODUCT from WISE LITE !

DA,sorry i thought you meant me. the guy knows he has a warranty, thats why i told him to call Wise Lite. my feeling is, if he'd built it himself he would uderstand just how things work and should-- not asking for help rather helping himself.

oakrodent wrote:I see no fault with blackreichswehr. Sounds like your friend is frustrated. I wouldn't say it is laziness not building a M-53. They are quite tricky to build. The fault is with WISE LITE! Another quality product from them. Yes, they will be more than happy to take it back to repair it, but how many times do you want to send it out? ? It has been brought up multiple time...... Their quality control is non existing! ! Come on now, it doesn't even fire out of the box! ! Yes, once in a while they might have one work out of the box, but very few. Why do people still deal with them when it comes to M-53s? You get what you pay for! ! You pay crap , you get crap.

ANOTHER QUALITY PRODUCT from WISE LITE !

Since you're so good at building these things, I think you should go into business making semi-auto MG-42's/M53's. Think about how much money you could make being better than the competition. Right?

I doubt any of your guns would even have so much as a minor issue. Am I wrong?

Did your friend contact WISE LITE to address the problem?

Please have the owner of this M-53 contact us at Wise Lite Arms.
When he sends an E-Mail it would be helpful if he includes the firearm serial number, a detailed description of the problem and complete contact info (to include a daytime/workday telephone number so we can call).


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12thWaffenSS wrote:

oakrodent wrote:I see no fault with blackreichswehr. Sounds like your friend is frustrated. I wouldn't say it is laziness not building a M-53. They are quite tricky to build. The fault is with WISE LITE! Another quality product from them. Yes, they will be more than happy to take it back to repair it, but how many times do you want to send it out? ? It has been brought up multiple time...... Their quality control is non existing! ! Come on now, it doesn't even fire out of the box! ! Yes, once in a while they might have one work out of the box, but very few. Why do people still deal with them when it comes to M-53s? You get what you pay for! ! You pay crap , you get crap.

ANOTHER QUALITY PRODUCT from WISE LITE !

Since you're so good at building these things, I think you should go into business making semi-auto MG-42's/M53's. Think about how much money you could make being better than the competition. Right?

I doubt any of your guns would even have so much as a minor issue. Am I wrong?

Your very touchy about this 12thSS. You work for them?

I have no interest of building and selling them. And NO, I've never had a problem with one of mine once it was done getting tuned in. Every-time I take one of mine to the range, it fires. Even on blanks with no run-aways. But I haven't built too many of them. I have only done 12, so time will tell. I wouldn't call not firing out of the crate a small problem ether.

oakrodent wrote:

12thWaffenSS wrote:

oakrodent wrote:I see no fault with blackreichswehr. Sounds like your friend is frustrated. I wouldn't say it is laziness not building a M-53. They are quite tricky to build. The fault is with WISE LITE! Another quality product from them. Yes, they will be more than happy to take it back to repair it, but how many times do you want to send it out? ? It has been brought up multiple time...... Their quality control is non existing! ! Come on now, it doesn't even fire out of the box! ! Yes, once in a while they might have one work out of the box, but very few. Why do people still deal with them when it comes to M-53s? You get what you pay for! ! You pay crap , you get crap.

ANOTHER QUALITY PRODUCT from WISE LITE !

Since you're so good at building these things, I think you should go into business making semi-auto MG-42's/M53's. Think about how much money you could make being better than the competition. Right?

I doubt any of your guns would even have so much as a minor issue. Am I wrong?

You're very touchy about this 12thSS. You work for them?

I have no interest of building and selling them. And NO, I've never had a problem with one of mine once it was done getting tuned in. Every-time I take one of mine to the range, it fires. Even on blanks with no run-aways. But I haven't built too many of them. I have only done 12, so time will tell. I wouldn't call not firing out of the crate a small problem ether.

You're equally touchy on the other side. You have some grudge against them? Did they wrong you? You never seem to miss a chance to say something negative against them.

Cant we all just get along?........

obviously not.But lets try before we wake up DI again.Supreme mod-awesome powers,evil eye! He even scares me! ---bil

You do have a good point 12thSS. I mean no ambiguity to you. I like a good debate and you do make some good points. They have never done anything to me personal to hold a grudge against them.

I have bought 6 receivers from them. Three mg-42 / m-53 receivers, two PPSH-41 receivers, and one DP-28. I can tell you from experience that the quality has taken a noise dive. The first MG-42 / M-53 receiver was an assembled rear that was saw cut off of a receiver. I built my first M-53 with that one and sold it. I then bought two more for my first few MG-42 builds. The quality was so poor that I couldn't even use them. I just turned around and resold them. The first PPSH receiver was nice, but the second one took me a long time to get it straightened out so I could even use it. The DP-28 was very nice, and I was happy with it. Now with these M-53s their selling I feel bad for the guys who buy them. They are so happy they are getting a MG-42, then when they get it... It is a M-53 that doesn't even work. The quality is very poor. I should know, I have helped out a few guys to get theirs running. Most of the time it is just small adjustments. But this should have been worked out before it was shipped. But the quality they are put together is horrendous! Roll pins used all over, parts are misaligned or have larger holes drilled to make them fit. Most guys in a big hurry can put together a nicer looking M-53.

Nobody says anything negative about WISE LITEs M-53s. Somebody who is interested in one will go on line to research them, come to this site, and read. I want to let them know, they are junk. Prepare to have it shipped back a few time before it will work correctly.

I am going to take some nice comparison photos of a BRP MG-42 and of a WISE LITE M-53. Then you guys can make the call. Maybe it is just me. But I believe you get what you pay for.

oakrodent wrote:You do have a good point 12thSS. I mean no ambiguity to you. I like a good debate and you do make some good points. They have never done anything to me personal to hold a grudge against them.

I have bought 6 receivers from them. Three mg-42 / m-53 receivers, two PPSH-41 receivers, and one DP-28. I can tell you from experience that the quality has taken a noise dive. The first MG-42 / M-53 receiver was an assembled rear that was saw cut off of a receiver. I built my first M-53 with that one and sold it. I then bought two more for my first few MG-42 builds. The quality was so poor that I couldn't even use them. I just turned around and resold them. The first PPSH receiver was nice, but the second one took me a long time to get it straightened out so I could even use it. The DP-28 was very nice, and I was happy with it. Now with these M-53s their selling I feel bad for the guys who buy them. They are so happy they are getting a MG-42, then when they get it... It is a M-53 that doesn't even work. The quality is very poor. I should know, I have helped out a few guys to get theirs running. Most of the time it is just small adjustments. But this should have been worked out before it was shipped. But the quality they are put together is horrendous! Roll pins used all over, parts are misaligned or have larger holes drilled to make them fit. Most guys in a big hurry can put together a nicer looking M-53.

Nobody says anything negative about WISE LITEs M-53s. Somebody who is interested in one will go on line to research them, come to this site, and read. I want to let them know, they are junk. Prepare to have it shipped back a few time before it will work correctly.

I am going to take some nice comparison photos of a BRP MG-42 and of a WISE LITE M-53. Then you guys can make the call. Maybe it is just me. But I believe you get what you pay for.

It's too bad you don't live closer. I'd have you build a BRP gun for me or maybe you would sell me one that you already made. PM me with the details. Thanks!

Look for oakrodents build tutorial on the BRP receiver.It will give you an idea of the work that he puts into them.I think it is the diferance between hand-building and assembly building.I have not seen either a BRP or wise-lite built complete gun,so no opinion on either.Certain products have inherant problems that show up in use and are corrected in later builds.Working on cars,there are certain ones that you know what is wrong before you even look,for older Chrysler products you always kept the ceramic voltage reducer on hand,newer Ford trucks keep the individual coil packs.On wiselite 53s,it is usually the barrel fit and return bevel.However,it should work 'off the showroom floor' at least! ---bil Not defending anyone,but I know oakrodent knows how to build them.Rocco is another one that gets them right.Apologies for others not mentioned.It was just a few years ago that we weren't certain it could even be done,I believe it was BRP that pioneered this build. ---bil