BATFE Changes it's mind - SA MG42 now classified as rifle

Post by **762x51** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:28 am

ak47dennis wrote:Orin, The firing pins would get us to 10 imported.

If it's not one of the 20 items listed then it doesn't count

ak47dennis wrote:I thought E-Z Feed had a letter stating that a remanufactured/re-welded SA receiver also was considered to be a "US Part" ?

Can you find this for us??

M1 Tanker wrote: Orin, where are you getting barrel extension??? Muzzle attachment maybe, but in no way do I see a barrel extension. There is no extension to the barrel, nor does the barrel screw into anything like the 1919 or M2. Chris

Chris, the barrel extension is the machined block that is screwed onto the chamber end of the barrel and contains the locking surfaces for the bolt head rollers.

hgosnell · Post by **hgosnell** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:31 am

SO, where do we stand on the count if the FAL trigger group is installed. Would it be feasable to weld the booster to the receiver like lots of imported guns to meet legal status. Shooting in semi mode you wouldn't have nearly the build up of carbon. Just turn booster end up in carburetor cleaner over night and carbon would be dissolved [ I have an auto repair shop and thats how I remove carbon buildup from carb and fuel injection parts ]. Also, if shooting from a ground tripod, remove the butt stock and just leave the recoil assembly.

Post by **762x51** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:45 am

"hgosnell"

With the FAL parts we stand at 11 imported parts.

Regarding the booster - I think you are referring to the part of the expired 1994 ban on assault rifle construction and that does not apply here.

Regarding the buttstock - Re-read the last part of the letter - ATF is saying that the receiver would have to be incapable of accepting a buttstock.

Regards,
Orin

oldiron · Post by **oldiron** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:11 am

One board member is making a new trigger housing complete for AR 15 parts; he has plan to make the same thing for the use of FAL parts; Anyway we need a new housing and US made FAL parts and we can go from there; Maybe a redesiged heavy Bolt carrier would also be in our best interests

The talent is there we just need the time to implement it-- maybe also we should or anyone that makes these parts file patent applications on them to avoid the ""Complainers"" or others from interfereing with our builds.

Post by **M1 Tanker** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:13 am

OK Orin, I gotcha on that. But what about the belt being a magazine? I still don't see that one.

Also, there is a trigger housing and a pistol grip. The grip frame is much like a G-3/Cetme in that it is a metal frame containing both parts, but the plastic that slides onto the grip frame is what the pistol grip is. Every Century G-3/Cetme has shipped with the plastic grip cover as a US part....so couldn't we have some pistol grip panels made up?

Post by **Pirate** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:48 am

Since BRP is building guns with a Receiver, ar fcg and recoil spring, there must be some way around the compliance parts issue.

Post by **M1 Tanker** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:53 am

Well, if grip panels fly, I have a CNC router that can cut them out of wood (say oak). I can cut probably 6 sets a day.

Post by **762x51** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:57 am

Pirate wrote:Since BRP is building guns with a Receiver, ar fcg and recoil spring, there must be some way around the compliance parts issue.

Look at the parts count - BRP's receiver is US made so they have 10 imported parts using the AR FCG.

Chris - Grip panels would probable work fine. I'll take a set in Walnut -

Orin

Post by **M1 Tanker** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:02 pm

Ok, I'll get these ported over into Autocad this weekend and see if I can't cut a test set before monday.

Post by **TOM R** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:23 pm

can you cut plastic on the wood cad machine?

Post by **M1 Tanker** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:58 pm

I can cut 1/2" flat grey PVC and Delrin for sure.

Post by **TOM R** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:05 pm

mg3 green? , the burgendy red or black?

or is it paintable

Post by **M1 Tanker** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:06 pm

I'll have to see what I can find Tom. I don't have anything buy 1/2 and 1/4 PVC right now.

none123 · Post by **none123** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:06 pm

So currently anyone w/ a complete re-weld is non-compliant....and everyone that has one of pirates fal fcg or any surplus fcg now has to buy a new us made set....+ grips

Post by **762x51** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:28 pm

none123 wrote:So currently anyone w/ a complete re-weld is non-compliant....and everyone that has one of pirates fal fcg or any surplus fcg now has to buy a new us made set....+ grips

Yep, that's where we stand at the moment.

There is a strong attempt being made to get this last letter reversed.
Probably not something that needs to be discussed here but I can assure you that you have not heard the last of the "rifle" Vs "firearm" classification.

Regards,
Orin

MGAPA · Post by **MGAPA** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:48 pm

Are those of us building on a US made BRP receiver okay? Do we still have to be 922r compliant?

Post by **panaceabeachbum** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:06 pm

Does this current ruling meen my BRP semi is now out of compliance?

I will be back activily working on the aluminum housings for the FAL in the next week, just finishing up with the ar FCG version for the weaponeer group buy. Could some one get me upto speed on which FAL fcg I should be working around? I built one a few months ago around a set of metric FCG parts I had laying around and to get the hammer face far enough forward to squarley strike the rear of the firing pin it just puts the trigger to far forward to look correct in the original profile housing.

The drawings Orin posted a while back and the tutorial Pirate was gracios enough to post both show a center distance on the trigger pivot pin to hammer pivot pin of just over 1 inch. The metric FCG and L1a1 fcg I have on the desk in front of me both have a center distance on those pins of .735. If someone could get me up to spead on the fal fcg thats commonly bieng used I will gladly jump right on this project and as promissed will provide all the guys her that have patiently waited the housings needed. I see in pirates thread that he mentions these parts to be from a metric Fal but at the dimensions shown in the drawings the sears and hammers from the 3 rifles I have in front of me will not even come close to making contact. These along with american FCG will surely help with the parts count issue. Thanks

Post by **panaceabeachbum** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:12 pm

Forgot to mention the semi RPD has had to be 922r compliant , Mine from vector has the threads machined off the bbl and US stock, forearm and pistol grip .

none123 · Post by **none123** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:44 pm

panaceabeachbum wrote:
The drawings Orin posted a while back and the tutorial Pirate was gracios enough to post both show a center distance on the trigger pivot pin to hammer pivot pin of just over 1 inch. The metric FCG and L1a1 fcg I have on the desk in front of me both have a center distance on those pins of .735. If someone could get me up to spead on the fal fcg thats commonly bieng used I will gladly jump right on this project and as promissed will provide all the guys her that have patiently waited the housings needed. I see in pirates thread that he mentions these parts to be from a metric Fal but at the dimensions shown in the drawings the sears and hammers from the 3 rifles I have in front of me will not even come close to making contact. These along with american FCG will surely help with the parts count issue. Thanks

i just measured my stg58 and from the center of the trigger pin the hammer pin is approx .738 over and approx .283 up

Post by **M1 Tanker** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:54 pm

use Metric parts on that.....much easier to find US made metric fal FCG parts.

www.MG42.us

BATFE Changes it's mind - SA MG42 now classified as rifle

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