BATFE Changes it's mind - SA MG42 now classified as rifle

[Karbinator]

Fritz here would still be breathing if he knew he could get up, move from
that position, and shoulder fire his ......ah em, rifle.



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[vulcan762]

This is exactly right. We can keep putting band-aids on these issues by attempting to be compliant but we need to SOLVE the real issue. And thats reverse bad legislation.

We keep playing a cat and mouse game with them and it will continue until we get boxed into a corner and then it will be too late. We need to get something done now.

The ultimate answer to this BATFE back & forth is to do them the favor of passing legislation that would get them out of the bussiness of regulating imports based on sporting criteria. Support H.R. 1703: Second Amendment Protection Act of 2005 TO REPEAL THE SPORTING PURPOSE CLAUSE and get the Bush43 Barrel ban and the Bush41 Assault Weapon Ban off the books!!!!!

[Blanksguy]

We really do need to submit a "Request For Determination" for our SA42s that we have already built to have a solid plateform to use.

Prior to submitting this.....someone knowledgeable with gun laws that BATF lives under should investigate all areas, parts-requirments, and current law so that we do not receive a visit later by someone saying "were here to pick up an SA42 that you built in violation of__________".

.....I say "investigate/research" all areas, laws, etc. ......because the next thing BATF might bring up is the "removeable-Butt-Stock" on a rifle? (Wow...visions of the old NFA Registry where Original-Luger/Broomhandles with removeable butt-stocks were registered NFA weapons.). Maybe we need to have the "Determination" asked for as an approval "Semi-Only Copy of the WWII German MG42...to be termed the SA42"? ....that it be classified in writing as a "firearm" (not rifle) fired from a tripod or bipod as the 1919 series semi-only guns are fired......and that we additional ask that we be allowed to manufacture these from scrap/DEMILed MG42 receiver-parts....and/or newly made receiver-pieces.

We need to cover all bases on the request........and maybe the posting of the proposed letter requesting this for all of the board-members to view and comment on will help to clear up any and all questions at this time?

Just my $.02, RichardS.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net
PS: Or maybe we need to add in the SA34 semi-only copy of the WWII German MG34 with our request?

[TOM R]

richard it is being worked on, patience , orin knows what he is doing and these things take time

[striker754]

This is exactly right. We can keep putting band-aids on these issues by attempting to be compliant but we need to SOLVE the real issue. And thats reverse bad legislation.

We keep playing a cat and mouse game with them and it will continue until we get boxed into a corner and then it will be too late. We need to get something done now.

Unfortunately only the people in Congress and the Supreme Court have the power to do this. No one wants to mess with gun stuff. Politicians especially liberals (Try a different word.) LOVE to pick and choose which amendments to protect. We can't put a murderer to death cruelly, and you can't have a gun with parts made in another country. Government is a JOKE.

The receiver is DEFINATELY a US part. Receivers are NOT allowed to be imported. Therefore, the pieces you are using are just metal. Laws say NOTHING about country of origin of material. Just think: Where did the wood come for someone's pistol grip? Where did the crude oil come to create that US made plastic grip? Country of origin is not a legit reason.

[vulcan762]

Those people are in congress because WE put them there.

This is exactly right. We can keep putting band-aids on these issues by attempting to be compliant but we need to SOLVE the real issue. And thats reverse bad legislation.

We keep playing a cat and mouse game with them and it will continue until we get boxed into a corner and then it will be too late. We need to get something done now.

Unfortunately only the people in Congress and the Supreme Court have the power to do this. No one wants to mess with gun stuff. Politicians especially liberals (Try a different word.) LOVE to pick and choose which amendments to protect. We can't put a murderer to death cruelly, and you can't have a gun with parts made in another country. Government is a JOKE.

The receiver is DEFINATELY a US part. Receivers are NOT allowed to be imported. Therefore, the pieces you are using are just metal. Laws say NOTHING about country of origin of material. Just think: Where did the wood come for someone's pistol grip? Where did the crude oil come to create that US made plastic grip? Country of origin is not a legit reason.

[striker754]

I understand that. But do they listen? Not really.

[hcpookie]

Bump. I have the basic two questions -

1. Any news (duh), and

2. For CYA purposes, have we arrived at 12 parts or 13? I seem to recall way back in the day that we had 13 parts? My build uses a G3 FCG and if I need to put US parts in there I'd like to know...

[vik]

Not exactly on point but ya'll need to check out HR1022 Congress has before it the old assualt weapons ban up again with some revisions. It is before the Judiciary committee as we speak.......here we go again.

[joshk98k]

I know this has been discussed and is not on topic with this subject but since it was brought up:

H.R. 1022 is MUCH worse. Even M1 Garands will be illegal!!!

I found this online:

With the nation’s murder rate 43% lower than in 1991, and the re-legalized guns still used in only a small percentage of crime, reauthorizing the Clinton Gun Ban would be objectionable enough. But McCarthy’s “other purposes” would make matters even worse. H.R. 1022 would ban every gun banned by the Clinton ban, plus millions more guns, including:

• Every gun made to comply with the Clinton ban. (The Clinton ban dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments new guns could have. Manufacturers modified new guns to the Clinton requirements. H.R. 1022 would ban the modified guns too.)

• Guns exempted by the Clinton ban. (Ruger Mini-14s and -30s and Ranch Rifles; .30 cal. carbines; and fixed-magazine, semi-automatic, center-fire rifles that hold more than 10 rounds.)

• All semi-automatic shotguns. (E.g., Remington, Winchester, Beretta and Benelli, used for hunting, sport shooting, and self-defense. H.R. 1022 would ban them because they have “any characteristic that can function as a grip,” and would also ban their main component, called the “receiver.”)

• All detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles-including, for example, the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 .22 rimfire-because they have “any characteristic that can function as a grip.”

• Target shooting rifles. (E.g., the three centerfire rifles most popular for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A and the M1 “Garand.”)

• Any semi-automatic shotgun or rifle an Attorney General one day claims isn’t “sporting,” even though the constitutions of the U.S. and 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states, recognize the right to use guns for defense.

• 65 named guns (the Clinton law banned 19 by name); semi-auto fixed-magazine pistols of over 10 rounds capacity; and frames, receivers and parts used to repair or refurbish guns.

H.R. 1022 would also ban the importation of magazines exempted by the Clinton ban, ban the sale of a legally-owned “assault weapon” with a magazine of over 10 rounds capacity, and begin backdoor registration of guns, by requiring private sales of banned guns, frames, receivers and parts to be conducted through licensed dealers. Finally, whereas the Clinton Gun Ban was imposed for a 10-year trial period, H.R. 1022 would be a permanent ban.

Contact your representatives now!

Josh

[Bil]

If this is ever passed,it will create a whole new class of 'criminals'.Remember that saying'when guns are outlawed,only outlaws will have guns'?Do they really think if they ban these guns,that we will all turn in our newly criminalized guns,like good little sheep! Then we can rely on the police to protect us all.They cant do that when the populace is armed,imagine the job if we are all un-armed.I find it hard to believe everyone will just roll over for this crap.If we do, this isn't the country I want to live in! ---bil