MG 34 saddle drum holder Deckel mit trommelhalter

Post by **jackxxx** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:40 am

I need some help on identifying this drum holder.It has no maker marks on it except a number 31 on one of the spring flaps.It is milled out not sheet metal.It has no grinding marks on it.Its vary well made.Some one told me to look for a circle with a d in it and thought it was czechoslovakia made but i found no marks like that.Can any one give me some help on this

Post by **762x51** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:36 pm

Your photos are too fuzzy

to really tell so it may be an original or one of the replicas that IMA had made several tears ago.

Orin

rocco1911 · Post by **rocco1911** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:42 pm

Is this your top cover ? you have it or are these just pics? looks like a mg34 top cover for the doppeltrommel mags

Post by **jackxxx** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:00 pm

I will try to get more pics.Yes rocco this my mg 34 saddle drum holder

Post by **jackxxx** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:06 pm

762x51 wrote:Your photos are too fuzzy to really tell so it may be an original or one of the replicas that IMA had made several tears ago.

Orin

Did the replicas have some kind of marks on them? How would i tell if it is a IMA remake? This thing has no marks at all except 31 on one of the flaps.More pics coming.

rocco1911 · Post by **rocco1911** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:37 am

It appears that the Latch is different on the Dupilates as there held on with a screw & look different yours appears to be an original is it for sale?

Post by **762x51** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:39 am

rocco1911 wrote:It appears that the Latch is different on the Dupilates as there held on with a screw & look different yours appears to be an original is it for sale?

Don't confuse the MGS cover (with the screws) with the IMA replica which has rivets in the rear, the same as the originals. The MGS cover doesn't have the 2 doors or flaps and no way to mount them.

The IMA replica that I saw didn't have any markings at all.

Here are photos of an original Trommelhalter, one of the Russian capture ones that were brought into the country several years ago. Note serial numbers and where the Russians crossed out the makers markings.

Post by **Bil** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:08 am

Thanks for the pics,Orin.So there are two differant type replicas in addition to the original variants. ---bil

rocco1911 · Post by **rocco1911** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:38 am

Two different replicas now its getting even more confusing

but as long as they both work & look good thats All I'm concerned with as I'm a shooter of my builds dont think they should just sit on a shelf & look preety

Post by **Bil** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:41 pm

I am not sure,but I think this one may be an original!

From the site 'Feldgrau' . ---bil

rocco1911 · Post by **rocco1911** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:50 pm

heck thats a black & white photo of DA & his buddies with a IMA replica 34 dopple top cover come on bil quit tryin to fool us....

Post by **762x51** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:07 am

Bil wrote:I am not sure,but I think this one may be an original! From the site 'Feldgrau' . ---bil

Bil - I think that's a MG34 with a machined top cover, not a Trommelhalter......Wish I had one of those top covers

Post by **Bil** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:42 pm

Good eyes-I hadn't blown up the picture enough.But I knew it couldn't be DA-those guys in the pic are too skinny!

---bil

Schnee · Post by **Schnee** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:55 pm

Some detailed photos of an original can be seen here:

http://www.zwillingssockel.com/id282.html

Post by **Bil** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:22 pm

Very nice,Ryan.Another excuse to drool over the fine stuff on your site! Thanks. ---bil

Post by **Blanksguy** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:54 pm

There are actually three (3) different copies floating around.
I viewed one about the late 1980s.......Iyears later, MA came out with their imported copies years later.....and now "MGS".

The "tell" on the early-copy that I viewed was the forward "catch" (where it was locked onto the receiver at the front).....it was not machined as part of the main-frame...but as a separate-piece and spot-welded onto the main-frame of the cover.
They will crack if moved ever so slightly.

Regards, RichardS in MI.
Blanksguy2001@chartermi.net

Schnee · Post by **Schnee** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:55 pm

There is another copy out there that is identical to the original. They were made in Switzerland some time in the 1990s. They have the right markings as well but they tool marks are wrong. The originals were made with several different form cutters and they leave distinctive machining marks. The other ones were made with simple set ups (not dedicated fixtures and tooling) and some of the tell-tale tool marks are from side cutting with end mills. They are also stamped with JGS on the bottom but this is usually long gone and refinished...buyer beware!

Ryan

Post by **pitfighter** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:32 pm

These are good pictures and some terrific information.

If anyone has a drum holder top cover for an MG34 for sale - original or reproduction - feel free to Pm me.

Pit.

www.MG42.us

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