BATFE Changes it's mind - SA MG42 now classified as rifle

Post by **panaceabeachbum** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:05 pm

I see Pirate points out using metric FCG parts but at the pin spacing called out in his drawing, 1.037 if memory serves, my metric sear and hammer will not make contact. The proper spacing is aprox .738 as none123 pointed out. Is there possibly another dimension fcg that will work with the wider spacing detailed in Pirates build? Other than life and kids etc, the fcg issue is the only thing thats been holding this project up. I really want to get this housing in gear, especialy since BRP has released these beautiful rec. Cheers

propos · Post by **propos** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:11 pm

Would it be possible to manufacture a US made buttstock. It can't be that diifficult. I'm tempted to take some measurements and make a new one myself. Since I work in a cabinet shop that won't be difficult. How about a stock made from birdseye maple? We have some nice figured walnut over in the warehouse too. Or maybe some palo alto, or Brazilian rosewood, or purple heart, or bubinga, or mahogany. I'm going to build this FIREARM even if I have to carve a gripstick out of an old rusty bathtub. And make the FCG by hand from old Winchester parts.
And BTW, how can they call the charging handle an operating rod? Yeah right, like I don't know the answer. What happened to us?

Post by **TOM R** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:17 pm

propos if you made a new wood stock identical to original there would be alooot of happy guys here that have been lookin for a nice wood one

robertmcw · Post by **robertmcw** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:21 pm

I would love to have a new US made butstock for the SA-MG42. Some guy at mgstocks.com either used to make them or was going to, but his website isnt working now.

none123 · Post by **none123** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:32 pm

panaceabeachbum wrote:I see Pirate points out using metric FCG parts but at the pin spacing called out in his drawing, 1.037 if memory serves, my metric sear and hammer will not make contact. The proper spacing is aprox .738 as none123 pointed out. Is there possibly another dimension fcg that will work with the wider spacing detailed in Pirates build? Other than life and kids etc, the fcg issue is the only thing thats been holding this project up. I really want to get this housing in gear, especialy since BRP has released these beautiful rec. Cheers

pirates spacing is 1.071 over and .268 up....now i'm confused

Post by **762x51** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:42 pm

Guys -

Hold off for a few days on making any decisions to make (or buy) new grip panels, gripstick housings or other parts.
There is a load of behind the scene work going on at the moment regarding this issue.

Regards,
Orin

Post by **Pirate** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:49 pm

I think it is important to find the regulations concerning using foreign materials in making us mfgd parts. If this can be resolved the receiver, bolt carrier and grip stick become US parts. Basically at this point the only difference between a BRP and reweld is the fcg and receiver. using US fal parts will cover the fcg.

Post by **drooling idiot** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:52 pm

go ahead and make the wood grip panels, I'd buy them whether or not they are required for compliance . same with new buttstocks - their is a market for nice new ones.

none123 · Post by **none123** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:57 pm

drooling idiot wrote:go ahead and make the wood grip panels, I'd buy them whether or not they are required for compliance.

+1

hgosnell · Post by **hgosnell** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:01 pm

I SAY 'OLLIE' what a fine mess the boys uptown have gotten us into now !!!!

Post by **panaceabeachbum** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:02 pm

none123 · Post by **none123** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:09 pm

panaceabeachbum wrote:
762x51 wrote:Guys -

Hold off for a few days on making any decisions to make (or buy) new grip panels, gripstick housings or other parts.
There is a load of behind the scene work going on at the moment regarding this issue.

Regards,
Orin
Hey Orin, I have everything ready and done for the fal gripsticks, have for a couple of months, but I cant figure out which FAL fcg you and pirate are refering to in your drawings as none I can find will work with the wide pin spacing posted in your drawings. That is the only issue delaying the release of the one I have been working on.

I can find Pirates drawings but cant seem to find the ones from 762x51...I swear I saw them here before

propos · Post by **propos** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:16 pm

Looks like I 'll be taking some measurements. If only to satisfy myself that it can be done. I'll have to buy a junk buttstock to deconstruct. My Angola buttstock wil remain inviolate. This may prove to be an extremely interesting project. But I will have to make sure that the wood is a native American species. Wouldn't want to piss off the Feds by using any imported Canadian maple or other nasty foreign wood, now wood I.
When you come to think of it the whole 992r reg is nothing more than an immense pile of BS. What other product that we buy must have a certain number of US parts in it to be legal? Is your computer compliant? How about your car? Your TV. VCR. Your shoes or clothing. Hell I must be in non-compliance. My wife was made in Russia. Only at certain times are there US parts in her.

But anyway, you get my meaning. It's just the hoops the Feds make us jump through to enjoy our sport.

Post by **panaceabeachbum** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:16 pm

I have them but they depict the same wide pin spacing for the fal FCG I cant seem to find. It must exist as Pirate has a working housing.

none123 · Post by **none123** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:54 pm

your right about the 1.071 not working i just layed it out and the hammer isnt close to the sear at least w/ my stg fcg...i'm assuming that the dim's are off from the drawing because i'm sure all metric fcg's are the same

Post by **panaceabeachbum** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:03 pm

I will work up a grip housing by the time the weekend is over to work around the metric FCG, I have all the jigs done and over 100 blanks profiled, rounded and done to the point of just needing the pin holes and pocket machined, about 15min work each till completion, as mentioned earlier just been in search of the suitable FAL FCG for the past couple of months. If a wide spacing version exist as posted in the drawings could someone please post a source? At worst i can machine new sear/disconnect for proper hammer placement but would rather use turnkey parts if available.

none123 · Post by **none123** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:08 pm

i just printed off one of the pics from pirates tutorial and the pin spacing measured from the pic is approx .766 There is a error in the drawing...i belive the corner cut is not taken into account in the drawing and caused the confusion

Post by **panaceabeachbum** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:09 pm

Thats good to hear, I thought there was some strange FAL fcg I wasnt familiar with. I have redrawn some of my original drawings and think the metric fcg will work just fine if I stop worrying so much about the geometry and let the fal hammer strike the firing pin at a little different angle, Just worried about not striking the firing pin perfectly sqaure with so much firing pin sticking out unsupported and causing a runaway. Will update with pics shortly.

Post by **DARIVS ARCHITECTVS** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:07 am

I have one of the stocks made by Mike at mgstocks.com. His website appears to be down at the moment. Mike made the stock from walnut and it is PERFECT, even with a waffenamt on the left side. It is used on my C&R MG-42 to allow the original stock to not suffer the dings and abuse from handling and wear at the range. It's nice to have a stock that the top rear edges are not all smashed to crap from dropping butt on the ground. The price for that stock was $250.00, which is not cheap, but the MG-42 looks 100% restored to new condition now.

Post by **weasel** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:48 am

If any of you need to copy my home made bolt let me know. I have drawings of my design. It works well enough. Made from 4140 rockwell 40-45.
Hope we can get through this crap. The feds should be watching the BORDERS and not us.
Remember these people when you send in your taxes!
Weasel