still fishing for cali grip opinion

[mgfun]

I am revising and reposting this here, since, apparently, not many people are looking into the mg34 section and the idea applies equally to the mg42. I have graftred on a primitive mg42 version picture to help legitimize this post here. I haven't gotten a single comment in the mg34 section in a week - not even a 'this is the stupidist idea in the world' comment.So...

I sometimes have more ideas than tools or skills. I was thinking about the lost souls in cali and the need to eliminate the evil grip feature. I think the heart of the issue is to eliminate the possibility to get your thumb behind the trigger. I have seen others, such as an RPD eliminate this possibility by welding a large plate behind the grip.

This RPD solution may have worked, but did not look too attractive. I'm sure nothing really will.

Still, what if an mg34 grip is modified by cutting off the bottom half handle and tilting it aft to duplicate the rake of the FG42, model 1. You will still need to add a welded on plate between the back of the grip and the tripod mount bulge. This place the thumb on the right side grip. Since the grip panels need to be redone at that point, perhaps a thumb shelf can be added to help react the stiff trigger pull force.



Now, with that done, the grip fcg elements would be retained as is. The FG42 was touted for its futuristic look and its natural pointability with its raked grip. It was supposed to work reasonably well and it looked cool. Although the central plate hurts all of the benenfits, what do you think of the result - realtively win or stupid or gross or are there any remaining grip legal issues?

I'd hate to think that I'd created Frankenstein by cutting up expensive parts and scratching at wooden grip panels for a year.

Your thoughts please.

This could work in a similar fashion on mg42s, if it had any value in the land of the scary grips.


I now think a thumb shelf is a necessity to allow a reasonable reaction force to the stiff mg34 type trigger pull.

Regards,
mgfun

cali grip 42 pic1 crop.JPG

[Bil]

Not being in Cali (until next Thursday),I didn't reply,but I did look over your idea.It looks like it would work,I think it fits the looks better than the double grip conversions.Run it past the guys over on weapons guild,they are more into conversions there,for some reason this site rarely goes past the semi conversion.I know they nhave done several guns that fit the weird calif. laws.Good luck.( I will see you over there!) ---bil

[Wondering]

There are several options for CA grip compliance, both for the MG42 and MG34.

MG42. Member panaceabeachbum made several grip packs for the semi MG42. These were newly made--machined grip packs that were designed to work with AR15 FCG parts in a semi MG42. He offered them two ways: 1) With a full grip frame to allow use of original grip panels; and 2) A truncated version which used AR15 grips. The beauty of the latter is that by not attaching the AR grip, there is no pistol grip. It's just a nub like you see on a stripped AR15 receiver.

It's been a while so I don't know if he still sells these through his machining company. Here's the link:
http://www.thompsonmachine.net/42semi.htm

MG34. TNW makes a gripless trigger pack for the MG34 semi. Unless they've changed their pricing, it's pretty inexpensive. There would not be anything to hold onto. It was designed to allow you to fire it with a Lafette's firing apparatus. In case you do not have an MG34 Lafette, TNW also made a small part which screwed onto the barrel jacket and allowed a 34 to be secured to a postwar MG3 or WWII MG42 Lafette. I recall that part being something like $12 or $20.

Lastly, I've never seen it done on a 42 or a 34, but there is another way to neuter a pistol grip. To comply with CA law, a grip which protrudes conspicuously beneath the action (of a semiauto rife with a detachable magazine/feeding device) cannot allow a pistol style grasp, meaning that the thumb and hand can wrap around the grip. There are lots of products available for CA compliance on ARs, AKs, HKs, etc. Some take molded kydex (plastic) and wrap it around the existing grip. It's secured with screws and nuts into itself. A plastic flap then "wings" up towards the bottom of the receiver. This prevents the thumb from wrapping around. Another variant is a replacement grip called a monsterman grip, which replaces the AR or AK grip entirely but does the same thing. Like I said, I haven't seen anyone doing this yet for the 34 or 42.

[Wondering]

Here's a picture of the two panacea grips for the MG42 semi. As you can see, the one on the right takes a standard screw-on AR15 grip. Don't screw it on and you have a gripless trigger pack.

[Clay]

I'm from CA and I'm building a CA legal version. Im going to go featureless meaning no banned features. For the grip I plan on getting one of these http://www.solartactical.com/category.sc?categoryId=19 hopefully one of those versionswould fit a 42. The other problem is the flash hider. I plan on adding a piece of pipe to the flash hider so the gas will go out that and not touch the cone of the flash hider.

The other option, if you want the pistol grip and flash hider is, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... MG42&page= Since the evil features are only banned on detachable magazine centerfire rifles,a tool operated mag release or in this case top cover makes it compliant. This is really popular for AR15sand AKs.

[Clay]

Calguns.net is your best option for finding out about all the CA legal stuff.